Tonight I went out on a training mission on the Trek (my mudder). The bike has crap parts and a cheap $99 fork but it climbed like a goat and descended with confidence. I was so taken back by how great the bike felt I had to do some comparison riding when I got home. Lets just hope I am in good shape because there is no way I can afford a Trek OCLV frame. I cant use this frame because my current parts specially the Stan’s wheels would not transfer to a non-disc brake frame. For now I will chalk it up to good form and a wait and see attitude. I will be able to compare if I EVER get to ride my leader. I mean it has rained almost every time I have been outside for a long long time. I have rode my good bike maybe 4 times this year so far.